Episode 173: What Work/Life Balance Really Means with Hannah Murphy

April 28, 2021

We often hear the term work/life balance in our industry, especially considering we’re our own boss. For many of us, that means we feel unbalanced.

In order to create a balanced schedule, Hannah Murphy joins us to discuss how to approach creating a profit focused schedule, while managing the season you’re in! Listen in as she shares four important steps to outlining a schedule that will give you a little more freedom.

Learn to identify what season you’re in.

Hannah helps entrepreneurs create a profit-focused schedule that eliminates unnecessary task switching, long nights and never-ending to do lists.

Hannah was that business owner who worked 7 days a week and was desperate to have overnight success. The business world had a lot of noise about how she should spend her time and grow her business – yet it wasn’t effective. Hannah realized a productive schedule wasn’t doing the wrong tasks quickly, it was finding the right tasks that actually worked and grew her business from 3 clients to 27 clients in 6 months.

Building a Balanced Schedule

When building out your schedule, it’s important to understand that seasonal adjustments are okay. Not every season of your business will look the same.

With a constantly changing schedule, you can allow your business to focus on a profit focused schedule. It’s important to look at what season you’re in.

For example, when your attention between your personal and professional responsibilities are competing, balance comes in understanding which one takes priority in that time.

Four Steps to Outlining a Schedule

1. Assess the things that are draining you, what you need to do more or less of, and what tasks you have.

Do I need to outsource any of this?
Do I need to maintain this?
Do I need to eliminate this (temporary or permanant)?
Do I need to systematize anything?

2. Create your ideal schedule for the month.

Batch Your Work
Understand Your Strategy
Determine Your Operations

Put everything on your calendar 

3. Develop the systems that will support you.

4. Sustain

Determine what works for you in this season and focus on that to sustain it.

Catch the Show Notes

Get to Know Hannah (1:00)

Accidental Entrepreneur (5:24)

Defining Work Life Balance (7:47)

Four Steps to Outlining a Schedule (12:06)

Correlation Between Profit and Productivity (20:24)

Using Data for Productivity (24:11)

Encouragement (28:05)


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Bonnie Bakhtiari 0:07
Hi, friends and welcome to the brand strategy podcast a show created to equip you with the inspiration, encouragement and clarity you need to build a brand of your dreams. I’m your host, Bonnie bakhtiari re designer, strategist and founder of healing retreat. From sustainable strategy to heartfelt encouragement. Each episode is designed to equip you with the tools you need to chase after your dreams. Because you deserve a brand that empowers you to do what you love, connects with your dream clients, and offers a deep sense of fulfillment along the way. So grab a cup of coffee and join me on this journey. Welcome.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 0:46
Friends, welcome back to the brand strategy podcast where today we’re talking about a big topic, we’re diving into work life balance, and what that really means with Hannah Murphy. Hannah is an incredible entrepreneur who specifically works with entrepreneurs like you and me to create a profit focused schedule that eliminates unnecessary task switching long nights or those never ending to do list they we know a thing or two about Hannah is also a fellow podcaster. And I’m incredibly excited to get to chat with her today all about work life balance, what that means and how we can redefine it in a way that serves us as entrepreneurs better. So, Hannah, thank you so much for joining me. I’m really excited to have you on the show today.

Hanna Murphy 1:35
Thanks for having me. I’m so excited.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 1:39
Well, I would love to hear for those who have you know, are just getting to know you. I’d love to know a little bit more about who you are and your incredible business and maybe even how you got to this point in your journey if you’re up for sharing.

Hanna Murphy 1:53
Yeah, for sure. I love a good business story. Um, so yeah, I basically I call myself a accidental entrepreneur, because I literally never thought I would do business, no one in my family did business, nothing like that. But now that I’m here, I’m just obsessed with the business world. I think it’s amazing. But how I came into it, I had just left school. And then I started studying primary teaching. And during my first year, I was kind of looking for a job on the side and just tried so many different jobs. And none of them really felt fulfilling enough for me. And while I was studying to do a, you know, a Korea like for you later, after that degree, I wanted something during that period of time, that was fun for me that like I love, you know, setting goals, the TV, the all the things. And so I kind of stumbled across the business world, I was following a life coach on Instagram, she was from the US and honestly have no idea how I came to follow her. Um, but I did. And she promoted on her Instagram stories, that she was looking for a VA and I literally had to Google what a virtual assistant was, like, that’s how much I didn’t know about the business world. Um, but once I, you know, was like, Oh, this looks really cool. You know, I can give this a try. And so I reached out to her. And I was like, Look, I’ve never done this before. But I’m more than happy to give it a go. And so she was so gracious enough to take me on. And that really was what introduced me into the business world. And then from there, I worked with her for around three to four months. And it was doing like nothing like what I do today. But it was really good for me because I got to try so many different tasks that a virtual assistant would do. So like everything from, you know, managing in a client management system from doing like different graphic stuff, which I was terrible at doing like all these different things. And one of those was Pinterest. And so I was like this is really cool. I’d actually never even had my own personal Pinterest account. And so from there, I just went and like took so many like 10 plus Pinterest courses, to learn how to do Pinterest and what it meant. And so that is when I kind of went You know, I’m just gonna do blog and Pinterest management and see how it goes. And so I got my first few clients in the first month and then grew really quickly. So I then went from like three to 27 clients in six months. It was amazing and so much all at the same time. And through that time, that’s where I learned a lot about creating a schedule about all the things that we’re going to talk about today. And so now I’ve kind of grown into that kind of productivity strategy space, because I just have such a heart like you know, It’s amazing to be a business owner. But it’s also like we go into business for this like fulfillment. And so if our business is draining us and hurting us, it’s like, not fun anymore. Right? So, yeah, that’s kind of what I my journey. It’s a very compact version of it. Um, but yeah, that’s how I’m here today.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 5:22
That’s amazing, I can really resonate with, you know, calling yourself an accidental entrepreneur, that’s absolutely something that I never, I never set out to be an entrepreneur, that was never something that I went to school for, or have any inclination of grain. But I almost think that, that that means it’s, it’s, um, there’s almost like a kind of a really fun kind of quality to it, I think, where, you know, we maybe went on these winding journeys, but the, you know, twists and turns along the way that took us to where we are in our current businesses. I think that we learned so much. And just like you were saying, like starting out as a VA learning so many different things, having your hands in so many different responsibilities inside that, that life coaches business, that gives you so much exposure to what’s out there, and to help you explore what’s possible, which I think is so exciting. Yeah,

Hanna Murphy 6:17
yeah, it’s so true. It’s like, you know, sometimes the season like, doesn’t look like how we wanted it. Like, once I kind of looked at all the opportunities that were in business, I was like, Oh, my gosh, I want to hit my first, you know, six figures. And then I want to get to a million, all of these things. But I think I learned so much more in that season, than I ever have. Now. It’s like you kind of can’t, you know, want to try and bypass the earlier seasons, or the seasons that are hard, or the seasons that maybe aren’t the income you want. Because I find you learn so much more. And so many, like better habits, and just so many things in those seasons, that it’s like, oh, this is how it adds to the story, rather than just trying to like bypass the story and get to the end.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 7:03
I love that there’s so much like, so much like wisdom that comes from like not not trying to rush ahead to the end, but allowing yourself to really be present in that journey. I feel.

Hanna Murphy 7:16
Yeah, so true.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 7:17
Well, I want to I want to ask you a question. It’s kind of a loaded question. But today, we’re talking about work life balance. And we know you and I actually, before we hit record, we were talking about how, you know, there can be a lot of myths that surround work life balance, and especially in the entrepreneur community, we all have probably a somewhat similar ideal of what work life balance looks like. And so what I would love to know is Hannah, how do you define work life balance?

Hanna Murphy 7:47
Yeah, such a loaded question. But I love it. Because I think it’s something that I have redefined over time. Because a lot of work life balance that I see within the business world is like, it needs to be perfect. It’s like, if I can have, you know, work from this time to this time, get this done. And then I can, you know, move over here and spend time with my family here. And all of these things, it’s like it needs to be this perfect schedule. But what I find is, it’s not so much about perfect work life balance, it’s more about creating a meaningful schedule that reflects the season you’re in. And what I mean by that is, I like to kind of use this analogy with, it’s like, now I’m no motorbike rider, but I feel like the illustration, says my 14 and so a motorbike rider as they are going around a corner if you’ve ever seen a motorbike rider and if you haven’t, like literally just Google motorbike rider going around a corner, and what happens is they lean into the corner, it always looks like they’re gonna fall off, right, because they’re so unbalanced and uneven, but what they’re actually doing is they need to lean into that corner in order to keep the balance. And I think it’s the exact same in business, there is going to be some seasons, for example, if you’re on Christmas holiday or something like that, when you need to lean into the season of actually serving your family. And so business will look different. But then maybe you’re in the middle of a launch or something like that. And you need to lean into that season, in order to keep the balance. And I think so often. We’re actually like, Oh my gosh, I have to have this perfect life balance. You know, if someone comes home, I can say, like, you know, and they ask, how’s your day and I go, I’m busy. That meant it was a good day, right? And then I’m able to turn off the laptop. And I think there’s been so many expectations created within the business world around what perfect work life balance is and so sometimes we can feel guilty if we’re taking time off, or on the opposite end. We can feel guilty if we’re working long hours, right. And so what it’s about it’s about identifying like, what is the season you’re in? What are the priorities you need to have in that season? And then how can you create a schedule around that? So my schedule is constantly changing. And I think that means it’s a healthy thing. Because I’m learning how to identify what’s the season? I mean, what do I need to prioritize? What does this need to look like, so that I can actually keep that balance, like the motorbike rider, even though publicly, it may not look like unbalanced, I know, internally, and personally, I am. And having that confidence in, like I unbalanced right now, even though it doesn’t look perfect. And so that’s why I like to say it’s about creating a meaningful schedule, in the season you written. And that’s going to look different depending on your season.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 10:50
Right? Right. I really love that analogy of that motorbike writer, because that’s, that’s such an apt way to describe what it feels like when I season where your your tension between your personal responsibilities and your professional responsibilities are like competing, and you’re like, you have to, you know, either like lean more in one direction or the other, or you run the risk of feeling like you’re going to just get like, ripped apart in the middle between all these things. Yeah. So I love I really love that. That analogy. And I also somebody that you mentioned, and you actually spoke to this quite a few times, that I thought was so fascinating, this idea of creating a schedule that aligns with the season that you’re in.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 11:37
So kind of a follow up question for you there. How do you suggest creating that kind of schedule? Like how did you go about creating a schedule that, you know, is going to change? Just Is that something? I’m just so curious about this? Do you? Do you go about it? You know, knowing that this is going this is this schedule that will only serve me for you know, a finite amount of time? Do you create like backup schedules? Obviously, you can talk a little bit Taipei, so I wondered, Oh, what?

Hanna Murphy 12:08
Oh, I love it. Well, first off, when I was originally starting my business, it didn’t exist. So that’s pretty much how I did that. Um, but now what I do is basically each month I like at the end of the month, or the very start, I go through four steps that helped me align it. And so sometimes it looks the exact same right the next month, but other times, maybe it’s a holidays coming up, or maybe, you know, there’s something that I need to really put my focus in. And so I need to start, like, as I’m going throughout the month, I’m constantly looking at, like, you know how so often? I’m sure you’ve said it before, but I’m sure everyone said it. I’m the whole like, I don’t have time to do that, right. And so, through that month, I’m actually looking at, what are the things I’m saying, I don’t have time for right? Because it’s a it’s a constant. Like, for example, if you have kids, and you’re like, I don’t have time, I don’t have time to that, I can’t do that. I don’t have time to do that. And that’s a recurring theme. What you’re really saying when you say I don’t have time is that’s not a priority right now. So I need to start looking at, you know, some things, I actually do need to say, I don’t have time for that, right. But other things, I need to have a look at that. And so the four steps that I go through, the first step is I actually assess within not only my business, but also my life, what are the things that are draining me? What are the things that I need to do more of what do I need to do less of, and then I actually look at, I basically just do a brain dump of every single business task that is currently on my plate right now. And I have a look at, do I need to outsource any of this? Do I need to just maintain this? Do I need to eliminate this maybe just for next month? Maybe not forever? But just for now? Um? Or do I need to find a way to automate more or systemize more or just improve that task in general? So that’s the first thing because if you’re new if you don’t even know what needs to go on your schedule, like what’s the point, right? So you I often like just set a timer for like five minutes and just get it all out. And then I’m actually assessing that list. And then once I’ve done that, I then go through the second step, which is create and basically what this looks like it’s first I’m creating, what does my ideal schedule look like in this month, right? And so that might mean, I want to work two days a week on Mondays and Tuesdays or I want to work five days a week or I want to work on one day, like whatever that looks like because that’s going to dictate a lot of what you may need to outsource right because you can’t work one day a week and then expect the work of five days a week, right? That’s just not possible and why So sometimes people will starve their business. And so they’re not putting in enough, right? Because you still need to work. It’s there’s no such thing as like laptop lifestyle, fully passive income like, unless, you know, like it’s not possible. And so it or you overfeed it. And so what I’m looking at in that time is, how can I create a schedule that’s going to be healthy for me and healthy for my business. And so what that looks like, for example, this month in this season, it’s a bit of a lot of month for me. And so I’m only working two days a week, and you know, batching those things. And so when I’m creating, I’m a big fan of batching. Basically, if you’ve never batch before, it’s just grouping like tasks together. So I have a look at the different areas of my business. So for example, if you like if your dream was to work four days a week, so then one day, you might do sales, right? So all things content, marketing, sales, calls, all the things another day, you might do it, the next area of your business is client experience. So fulfilling client orders, if you have products fulfilling, you know, services, if you’re a designer, whatever that looks like for you. And then the other day, like the other part of your business is strategy. So this is the real, like, what are you doing in the next 90 days to move your business forward? What are the like one off projects you want to work on? That’s going to help move your business forward, all the things. And then last is operations. So this is things like team management, if you have a team or admin or, you know, vision setting, and how are you going to operate with the systems that you have to move your business forward. So that’s why I’m creating that schedule there. That’s going to serve me in that month, and serve me well. And so then, like, I’m a big fan of Google Calendar. So then I will put those batch days on Google calendar so that it’s all there, I’ve set out all my times, you know, any appointments, I have anything like that it’s all on the calendar. Okay, when you leave that, so that’s step one, and two, so step three, that is then developing the systems that it’s going to support me so kind of going back to step one, anything that you put, like outsource or automate more or improve more like, that’s that develop phase, if there’s anything I can do, that’s gonna improve it, then I’m gonna do it right. Um, and then the last step is sustain. So then I have a look at what can i realistically sustain? Right? I have a think of that motorbike rider? Is this sustainable for me? In this season? What does this look like? Um, so that was a very long answer. But hopefully that helps.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 17:44
Yes, no, that was that was so good. So much, like incredible advice, and like tangible actions that we can take packed into that. So Wow, thank you so much for walking us through that process. I really, like I just have so much respect for how how each step builds on what came before and how one of the final things to look at is sustainability? Yeah. Am I able to maintain this? Is this realistic for where I am? In this season of life? Because I don’t I don’t know about you. But there have definitely been times in my business. I this used to happen much more frequently earlier on, but I would I wouldn’t, you know, do that do the work of creating the ideal, the ideal schedule? And then I would just think, okay, now I have to go forth and do it. But I wasn’t taking into account into account the concept of like, Oh, is this actually sustainable? Is this actually something that you maintain day after day? So I have so much respect for the fact that that is the question that you are encouraging us to be mindful of today.

Hanna Murphy 18:45
And I think like also asking yourself, what are you going to do in the time that you’re not working? Because I think it’s really easy to like, create this awesome schedule, but then there’s always something you can think of doing. And so it’s like, well, how am I going to, you know, spend this type? How am I going to know that I’m finished working for the day? How am I like, all of those things to sustain what you’ve created? Because Yeah, like you said, you can create a schedule that looks pretty and awesome. But if you don’t actually implement it, then that also was a waste of time creating the schedule. So right, yeah.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 19:19
Such good advice. Okay. So when you were talking us through that method, that multiple step process, I’m reading that schedule, and really figuring out what that looks like, especially with how you were talking about how you batch each day of the work week, that got me thinking about Wow, like that, that format allows you to be really productive by by each week. But my thought there is okay if we’re focusing on productivity, and this is something that I have seen, especially over the years in my students inside my course for designers or the entrepreneurs that I’ve worked with, through my coaching offers, I have learned that there’s a big difference between productivity and Having a profitable business. So my question for you is, what are first of all? What are your thoughts on that correlation? Do you see a correlation, I guess I should ask between productivity and profitability? And if you do, how do you make sure that where you’re spending your time in your business is continually pointing you towards profitable actions?

Hanna Murphy 20:23
Yeah. Such a good question. Because I think it really depends what your opinion or definition is of productivity, right? Because I think so much in especially in the business world, like productivity is like, you know, do it faster, be efficient, you know, do this, do this. And, you know, how can you batch this here? How can you improve this task here, like, you know, that kind of not hustle, but just like, let’s get this done really quickly. But my approach to productivity is not so much how fast you can get your to do lists done more about what’s on that to do list, right? Like, there’s no point doing something quickly, with like something that shouldn’t even be done at all. So I think it’s really important, because that’s where the profitability part comes in that, like, in my opinion, productivity does not always equal, you know, profitability. It’s like a tongue twister. Because the productivity that people are doing really quickly, then not profit generating tasks. And so you’ve kind of got to look at like, like, basically, my opinion is, it’s not so much about being efficient and doing it quickly. It’s more about doing it effectively. So what are the tasks that are actually profit generating? What are the tasks that are actually going to lead to profitability? And then you can like, and then that leads to, okay, what are some systems I can have in place? You know, how are some ways I can improve this workflow, all of that, but if you don’t first take a step back and actually look at what do I need to be productive on like, what’s going to be effective productivity, rather than just productivity itself. So like, an example of that is, when I was first kind of in the initial stages of my business, I would spend hours a week on Facebook, you know, trying to find out strategy for it. And then I’d improve the workflow and all of this and what I found of those 27 clients I got, there was no leads from Facebook. And so not that Facebook is bad by any means. Facebook is awesome. But I had to have a look at, well, I am trying to be spent all this time here trying to do a workflow creating this content, all the things when really, I actually shouldn’t be doing it at all, because there’s no data there to support that decision. And so, yeah, it’s kind of like, in my opinion, yes, there is a correlation, but they’re also complete opposites. If your opinion of productivity is just getting everything done really quickly,

Bonnie Bakhtiari 22:58
right, that’s a really good point to make of, we have to first look at how we define productivity before we factor and the profitability component. And I, I love how you you pointed out, you know, when you were talking about how you spent a lot of time on Facebook, but then when you looked at where your 27 clients came from, they were not those leads weren’t generated through Facebook, I love how you brought it back to the data because this is something and this is something that I’ve shared before on the podcast. But if we can focus on the data on the facts over our feelings about, you know, what we think a situation looks like, if we can actually look at, like the hard Fast Facts of a situation and have that data, then we’re making data driven decisions about where we should be spending our time and energy versus maybe adding things to your to do list because that coach that you follow does these things each day, or, you know, that business owner that you aspire to be like, she seems to do this each day, you know, we we have to also take into account that our level of productivity might look very different from other people’s and I think that’s actually a good thing. Yeah,

Hanna Murphy 24:09
yeah, it’s so true. I like I kind of look at three areas when I’m signing because, like, you’ve got to have that data at the end of the day, that’s kind of like the final card of like, you know, this is either gonna stay on my schedule or not, but at the same time, you’re gonna need to do things to actually gather that data. And so for me, what I like to do is I like to look at like the head, the heart and the gut. And what I mean by that is like, Okay, my heart does this task, or does this decision in my business align with my business goals for the future, with my personal goals, with like, my personal joy level, like you might have a experience like client offering that’s really profitable, but it drains you completely. And so it’s kind of like using that part and Then using the gut like just, you know, what’s your gut instinct about this? You know, what? Are you going to trust yourself with this? What does this look like? You know, after gathering all the information, what do you feel the best decision is from there? And then you go to the head, like, okay, where is the data for this? How much time? Is this gonna take me? How much money is this gonna make me? And like you said, using that data and actually tracking that data? Where are leads coming from how much money you making each month like data? I think it can be scary, because it tells us the truth. But the truth is what you need to hear whether it’s good or bad, because then you can actually make better decisions. You can tweak things, you can move things around, like you were saying, because it’s all based on the data that’s actually speaking. But yeah, you definitely do want to consider like, is this joyful? For me? Is this like, always like Marie Kondo showing, like the business side of things?

Bonnie Bakhtiari 26:00
And actually, yeah, making the most of that kind of experience for yourself? Absolutely, that that data gives you the ability to make those fully informed decisions, but you have to go out there and actually track that data. And I think that that’s where a lot of people get kind of tripped up. Because right, if we go back to that, that, you know, point that you made earlier, about feeling like you don’t have time, I mean, if you’ve never set up a system to track your business, like, let’s say, your marketing analytics before, or your let’s say that your service provider, and you have no system in place to track the leads that you generate, yeah, that’s gonna feel overwhelming, probably, that’s gonna, that’s gonna make it make it seem challenging to get started. But if you, if you look kind of more long term towards what that will do for you, that freedom that it will give you I mean, Hana the ability to know that where your 27 clients came from. And I know that this book was not one of those places where you did not need to be marketing yourself on Facebook. That’s, that gives you freedom to make choices of where your time and energy go. And I feel like, at the end of the day, like when we look towards this concept of work life balance, having the freedom to choose where our time and energy goes and feeling excited, and in alignment about those decisions. I think that that that is really kind of a core a core piece of it. Yeah,

Hanna Murphy 27:25
yeah, it’s so so true.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 27:27
Well, one question that I always, always love asking is really centered around encouragement. You know, through the conversation we’ve had today, we’ve talked about how we can redefine work life balance, we talked about so many incredible concepts of really building a schedule that serves you well as an entrepreneur. And so I’m guessing that people who are tuning in today, they are probably feeling hopeful about the future excited about what that schedule can look like for them and for their business. So what kind of encouragement would you share to the people who are tuning in who are really ready to take action with this to redefine what work life balance means to them?

Hanna Murphy 28:06
I love this question, too. I think it’s like, it feels like I’m sitting down at coffee with them. Like, it’s so fun. I love it. Um, there’s so much encouragement I would give, but I think the first thing I, like I heard, there’s been a lot of practical stuff. But more than that, I kind of want to encourage you like this schedule, like to create a really good schedule for yourself, you really need to step off into that CEO role. You know, visionary role, business owner role. And the reason I say that is because so often we let our schedules be dictated by the task that screamed the loudest, or by that coach on Instagram that you’re following, who shared her schedule, or by you know, this new, like marketing system idea and all the things and so it’s really easy, in a world of so much noise to get out, allow schedules to be dictated and so some encouragement I just want to, you know, have you think about is as you’re creating a schedule, and as you’re, you know, trying to learn how to stick to it and tried to learn how to minimize like, you can never fully eliminate distractions throughout the day, but you can learn to manage them. So, as you’re learning to manage these distractions, just keep that motorbike rider in mind and like ask yourself, what season Am I in here? Like, how do I need to give myself grace here? What do I need to say no to what do I need to say yes to so that you can kind of allow yourself to move forward in a schedule that feels really good for you. Not just looks really good for someone else.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 29:46
Hmm, that is such great advice and such powerful encouragement. Thank you so much for sharing that with us. I absolutely love what you shared there. I would also love to know where Can people connect with you as they are going forward from this conversation? If they want to learn more about the work that you do with profit focus schedules, I would love for them to be able to find you wherever you’re hanging out online.

Hanna Murphy 30:12
Yes. Well, I if you’re listening right now, I’m assuming you like podcasts. So I have a podcast as well. It’s called the taking action podcast, I actually interviewed Bonnie on it, which was super fun as well. And if you kind of want to learn more about this, like whole schedule thing and creating, I talk a lot more depth about that on my podcast, as well. So definitely go and check that out. I also love Instagram. I’m at with Hannah Murphy. And yeah, I work one on one with people helping them create a schedule, and so many different things. So I’m sure all of those links will be in the show notes. But yeah, I’m just I hope you enjoyed this conversation. And if you can just take anything, honestly, I would encourage you just brain dump currently what you do, so that you can have that kind of bird’s eye view of like now Where can you go from here?

Bonnie Bakhtiari 31:03
Absolutely. That’s such fantastic advice. And you’re absolutely right. If you’re tuning in today, we will have all of Hannah’s links in the show notes. So if you go to brand strategy, podcast calm, and click on the latest episode, link, then you will be taken to today’s episode, where you can find out all of the juicy details about Hannah what she does and how you can connect with her. So, Hannah, thank you so much for hanging out with us today on the podcast and for having this incredible conversation. It was such an amazing discussion talking about work life balance and how we can really take that concept and define it in a way that really serves us well as entrepreneurs.

Hanna Murphy 31:42
Thanks so much for having me. It was so fun.

Bonnie Bakhtiari 31:57
Thank you so much for joining me today friend. Before you go, I would be so grateful to receive your feedback on the brand strategy podcast. If you enjoyed this episode for the podcast in general has helped you grow your brand. I’d really appreciate it if you left us a review in iTunes. Your positive reviews enable the brand shajing podcast to continue to grow and new to like minded creatives just like you. Plus, I’ll be randomly selecting a handful of lucky reviewers each month to receive a little Thank you surprise for me in the mail. Thank you for all your support and encouragement as together we pursue building brands with purpose and intention. Until next time, I’m cheering you on from Waco.

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My name is Bonnie – I’m a brand designer, strategist, and writer which all adds up to one eclectic conglomeration of qualities that enables me to serve you well! Past clients have dubbed me "the Joanna Gaines of brand design," and I've had more than a few call me a dream maker, a game changer, and a design wizard (my Harry Potter-loving heart didn't hate that one, let me tell you!). At the end of the day, I'm a big-hearted creative who will get teary-eyed as you share the heart behind your business; who will lose sleep over the perfect font pairings and color selections to bring your brand to life visually; and who will work tirelessly to empower, encourage, and equip you to share your work with the world intentionally. 

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